Thank you for listening to the Allender Center podcast.

I'm Dr. Dan Allender.

And I'm Rachel Clinton-Chen.

We're fiercely committed to providing hope and healing to a fragmented world.

And restoration for the heart.

Thank you for joining us.

Let's get this conversation started.

Thank you for joining us. Let's get this conversation started. In these days of what feels like endless ache and wave after wave of trauma and demand for resilience, we feel like it's so timely to spend some time revisiting

a podcast series we did about qualities of a well-lived story. And in many ways, we need examples.

We need to see other stories that we can look to and understand how they've shaped the people who are living them. And so that's part of

what we're doing in this series is talking with, as Dan said, our spouses and other friends and

colleagues that we have looked to to say, this is someone who is living well. And as we thought about,

who are some of the most courageous people we know,

our friend and colleague, Danielle Castillo, who is a therapist, a writer, an activist, a podcast

host, and among many other things, we wanted to hear more from her. How has she come to be such a courageous woman in the ways that

she lives, loves, and brings her giftings to bear in the world?

We are in the middle of a series on what it means to live a well-lived life and story.

And we thought, Rachel and I just thought, we could talk, talk, talk.

You know, we've never had a whole lot of difficulty just talking.

But nonetheless, we thought maybe it's just smarter to bring people in who we look to as reflections of what it means to live

a well-lived story. And our guest today is a woman whom I have immense respect, honor for, delight in. She is a recent graduate of our program.

But as we step in, the reason we're inviting you to this is we want you to grow in courage

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