Hello and welcome to another episode of I Wei with

Jemida Jamil a podcast against shame.

Thank you for your exceptional response to my episode with Jordan Stevens about men

and what's going on with them in ways in which they are hurting not just

themselves but also each other and of course women.

It was a very candid chat with moments of debate that was handled with so much love and the kind of faith in one

another that we need to see more of in the world.

I think people don't give each other the benefit of the doubt and they're so quick to dismiss

and label one another and so desperate to win a conversation rather than find a mutual resolution.

And I will forever love that conversation, but how popular that episode has been and how many people have reached out to me about it. Made me want to replay this episode now because I think it's one of the best chats I've ever had on this

podcast and also the kind of thing that we all need to be hearing right now, not just us, but everyone

we know, of every gender, of every age, of every background.

My guest is Dr Jackson Cats, and he came onto this podcast and expressed himself with the kind of passion, hope and

emergency that is lacking in so many men in the public eye. He is an educator, he is a filmmaker,

he's an author, and his work centers around men's violence, media, masculinity, and it has an added focus

on media literacy.

He's got this TED Talk that went viral

as the first time I ever became aware of him,

in which he was one of the first people I ever saw break down

that we've got to stop calling it violence against women, that we need to stop using passive language.

We need to use active language.

Who is the perpetrator?

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