From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is the business.

I was the one who's like, you know, taking five years to edit a skate video, and it's like,

I want to be in Bing's video.

So when I came back, they were probably really psyched to be filmed by me, and then probably

weirded out that I wanted to follow all these other aspects of their lives.

Growing up in Rockford, Illinois, a town outside Chicago that's seen better days,

director and cinematographer Bing Liu was obsessed with making skateboarding videos with his friends.

Over the course of 12 years, one of those mini-movies morphed into the coming-of-age documentary, Minding the Gap.

This week, we revisit our conversation with Lou.

He tells KCRW's Matt Holtzman about following friends and their fractured families camera in hand to make Minding the Gap, which was nominated for Oscar and is now a Peabody Award winner.

But first on the news banter, at the up fronts, Disney presents a lavish golden corral buffet, and CBS has an awkward bacon and egg breakfast.

Stay tuned. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my companion in banter. Matt Bellany of the Hollywood reporter. Hello, Matt.

Hi there. So the upfronts. The upfronts have been underway in New York. This is where in the distant past when we didn't have a gazillion channels and streaming services, the broadcast networks would gather advertisers in gigantic venues, and they present the fall programming, and the advertisers would then sort of decide where they really wanted

to put their money and place their bets. Now these upfronts are transformed. It is really,

really crazy. One thing that has not changed, however, is that Jimmy Kimmel does a set. I mean,

now CBS has Stephen Colbert and NBC has Seth Myers doing jokes. However, Jimmy Kimmel is the king of this.

He does it better than anybody. I will just give you a couple of short samples. He works for ABC,

of course, but he makes jokes about everybody. One was, and I'm not telling this as well as Jimmy Kimmel,

NBC renewed Law and Order SVU, which is coming back for 21st season.

And that is amazing to think about.

That means that babies born the year that show started are now old enough to commit sex crimes of their own.

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