Revisited: Trevor Noah Makes My Brain Hurt

A Bit of Optimism

The Optimism Company from Simon Sinek

Education, Business, Self-improvement, Careers

4.8 • 2.3K Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2026

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Hello from Team Simon! We’ll be back next week—January 27, 2026—with brand-new episodes of A Bit of Optimism. We’re excited to bring you new guests, conversations, and opportunities to learn. Until then, we’re diving back into the archives to revisit one of our favorite episodes from 2024, when comedian Trevor Noah joined the show… to get as serious as possible. Most Americans know Trevor as the former host of The Daily Show, a bestselling author, and a stand-up comedian. But his brand of humor isn’t just a barrel of laughs— it’s raw, witty, thought-provoking, and often makes you see the world in a whole new way. In this conversation, Simon and Trevor ditched the small talk (mostly) and went deep into the paradox of choice, the public's response to the murder of United HealthCare's CEO, and why the human experience might be defined by constraint. It will make you chuckle, think, and probably question everything all at once. This… is A Bit of Optimism. --------------------------- For more on Trevor and his work, check out: https://www.trevornoah.com/

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0:00.0	This is a very deep conversation that you said you don't like small talk.
0:03.2	No, no, but people, but I put a, when we promote the podcast, you've got a picture of Trevor Noah, and we'll put a little clip and people like, I'm going to listen to this one.
0:11.3	It's going to be so funny.
0:13.4	I mean, we can still make jokes.
0:16.3	I love to think, but more important, I love to think about things that make my head hurt.
0:21.7	I like really difficult, complicated things that there's no obvious right or wrong,
0:27.7	which means I love people who make me think about those things.
0:31.3	And one of the best people who does this is Trevor Noah.
0:34.0	You may know Trevor from The Daily Show and as a stand-up comedian and best-selling author.
0:38.4	What I love him for is for his intense ability to think about things and see things that the
0:43.1	rest of us don't see. This episode is intense and it'll definitely make you think and it'll
0:48.7	definitely make your head hurt in a good way. This is a bit of optimism.
0:57.5	Trevor, always a joy to see you and sit down with you.
0:58.4	Always fun, my friend. I've never sat down with you ever, ever, ever and not learn something
1:02.1	or had my perspective changed about something
1:04.2	because of that insane mind that you have that I so love.
1:08.0	It's a lot of pressure on our conversations now.
1:10.4	I feel like one day we should hang out
1:12.1	and not talk about anything new or interesting.
1:15.6	Just so we have like a, you know, we don't have to get pressure.
1:19.2	We don't like small talk.
1:21.0	I actually like small talk.
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