Today, on the 80th anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz, we are bringing you an episode

we made five years ago with two of the survivors, Susan Pollock and Ivor Pearl.

That episode was made for the 75th anniversary.

It is a really moving listen and I hope you get a lot from it.

Today's episode is very special. There are now few survivors of the Nazi's largest concentration camp Auschwitz. On the 75th anniversary of its liberation, Iva Pearl and Susan Pollock,

who were children just 12 and 13 when they were taken there, tell us their stories.

From The Guardian, I'm Anushka Astana.

Today in Focus, Life After Auschwitz.

Well, I lived in a small village in Hungary,

not far from the capital, Budapest, and my life was happy.

I went to local school, had my girlfriends there.

And I played a bit of football if they needed someone.

What is it called when you're a gate goalkeeper?

Yeah, that's me.

And so that was my life and it was it was fun as a child did you have a sense that a darkness was coming well as a child I was aware there's no doubt child, I was aware. There's no doubt about it. I was aware that I was the other.

There were signs of that difference and not very friendly signs, sometimes hostile.

You Jews? What are you doing here?

Well, my name is Iva Pearl, of course, I've

Englishized it since I came to England and I thought to myself,

you know what, I'll have to make my own living, I've got to find an English name as well. So it's

Iva Pearl, but I was born Isaac Pearlmutter in Southern Hungary in the town called Mokul. Going to

school from home, but virtually like running the gauntlets, and invariably you were given literally

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