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Reverend Dr. Mundur Ishaq, Munder Isaac, it's an absolute blessing to be with you.

Someone that I've had the blessing of getting to know virtually,

we were supposed to connect in person on one of your trips to the United States,

inshallah, in the future.

We must make it happen for sure.

Inshallah.

But it's an absolute pleasure to have you.

Thank you for taking the time out, joining us live from Bethlehem.

I think that for many of us, we really got to know you through your famous sermon in

23, Christ in the Rubble, where you talk about Issa'a, Jesus peace be upon him,

in the nativity scene.

And I think the cognitive dissonance of particularly Western Christians and how they, you know,

have somehow allowed, obviously some

denominations, particularly on the Christian right, have allowed their denominations to be hijacked

by a Zionist narrative. And you spoke very passionately. Never again should mean never again

to all peoples. Never again has become yet again.

Yet again to supremacy,

yet again to racism, and yet again to genocide.

And sadly, never again has become yet again for the weaponization of the Bible and the silence

and complicity of the Western Church. Yet again for the church siding with power, the church

siding with the empire. It was very moving to many people. In fact, I know a church here,

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