Welcome to the Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast Reverb, a conversation designed to help leaders go even further faster by digging deeper into this month's podcast.

I'm your host, Susie Gray. Last week, Andy was joined by Steve Cuss, and they had a great conversation of Steve's book, Managing Leadership Anxiety.

So, Andy, to get us started, I actually want to start with something personal.

Steve talked about anxiety in a very specific context.

He talks about there's a type of anxiety that is driven and triggered by false needs.

And it's not really any danger that you're in.

It's not really anything that's going to harm you.

But when this false need gets triggered, you actually have almost a fight or flight response.

He talked about you either power up or you step back.

Yeah, you shrink.

And he mentions five different types of false needs. So I'm going to list them.

But you talked about one of these in particular that you feel like is your false need.

And then I'm going to ask you what yours is because you weren't in the studio last week, but go ahead. You'll have a minute to think. So the five false needs are control, perfectionism, having the answer. That was an

interesting one. That's when he said he struggled with that people who feel like they have to have

an answer. When they don't have an answer, they feel anxiety around that. And he said he doesn't

like to be tricked because he always wants to have the answer. Yeah, he wants to have the answer.

Being there for others. Yes.

That was interesting, too.

He talked about people who have this anxiety, they can't tell the difference between their need and their need to be needed.

Needed.

So they rush in to meet a need, but it's meeting their need and it gets conflated and there's confusion.

Yeah, he talked about that's where a meshment happens. Yeah, yeah. I need to save the day and now I'm overly helpful and where does mind stop in your start? And we all know people who do that. They rush in and they're doing too much. We didn't really ask for their involvement. We were just, we were sharing. The next thing we know they're trying to fix our problem. And you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, I was just sharing. I wasn't asking you to jump in.

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