We are live now on the Conversations That Matter Podcast. I am your host John Harris. I'm going to jump right into it after a quick word from a sponsor and actually the sponsor I'll just put it this way it goes well with the

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organization we're going to talk about today is very popular in fact I was part of it at one time and they have

compromised in my opinion deeply on an essential issue and I

should say fundamental issue it's a fundamental issue you can't get this issue

wrong and yet crew has gotten it wrong and

just to give everyone a little bit of a background I've been tracking crew stuff

for quite some time. I started, I think it was in 2019. I watched almost

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