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The Confessional with Nadia Bolz-Weber

Rev. Jeff Grant, Minister and Co-Founder of Progressive Prison Ministries

The Confessional with Nadia Bolz-Weber

The Confessional with Nadia Bolz-Weber

Society & Culture, Personal Journals

4.62.6K Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2021

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

“I was dressed up looking the part, but deep inside, I was just vacant. I just was not someone I was proud of anymore.”

Jeff Grant, J.D., M.Div. is Co-Founder of Progressive Prison Ministries, Inc., the one of the world’s first ministries serving the white collar justice community. Jeff co-hosts with Babz Rawls Ivy the Criminal Justice Insider podcast and hosts the White Collar Week podcast. He also leads a weekly online confidential White Collar Support Group.

Prisonist.org

Twitter: @RevJeffGrant

Transcript

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0:00.0

When I was in seminary, an older pastor said to me,

0:14.0

Nadia, I've seen you around for years now, and you give off a lot of strength.

0:21.0

I think that's what people see when they look at you, which is great, but what is it we don't see?

0:29.0

That was about the rudest question I've ever been asked.

0:34.0

But I answered as honestly as I could at the time.

0:39.0

I get my feelings hurt more than anyone would suspect, I said, which is true, but only a partial truth.

0:48.0

I found myself asking a form of that rude question a lot.

0:54.0

What's the thing under the thing?

0:57.0

A question which has led me to understand even if just a little bit, how shame really operates in our lives.

1:07.0

Because it can feel as though shame can be like a quill that writes its own story inside of our bodies,

1:16.0

a story that tries to tell us who we are and what we're worth.

1:22.0

A story that keeps us moving in the same unhelpful direction just because it's familiar and just because we're scared.

1:32.0

And I used to think that the people who struggled with shame were the ones who wear that story like a name tag,

1:41.0

letting the world know that they are who their shame says they are, the ones slouched over with trauma and wounds and a diminished self.

1:54.0

But I've started to see that others of us are equally defined by shame.

2:00.0

We just carry it in opposite ways.

2:03.0

We spool all our energy into trying to prove our internal story wrong. We cover the truth of what we don't want to admit to with bravado and confidence and grandiosity.

2:18.0

And we hope no one notices.

2:21.0

Because the deeper truth to the question that pastor asked me is that my youthful swagger was protective. It was brilliantly strategic.

2:34.0

My confident posture hides the fact that despite how my life looks on the outside,

2:42.0

I still can feel like that skinny, bug-eyed kid who was chronically sick and who spent years sitting by herself at middle school lunch tables.

2:54.0

Shame is such a powerful driving force that if harnessed, I'm pretty sure it could replace fossil fuels.

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