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Talking Feds

Return to the Double Agent Bar and Grill: Intelligence, National Security, and the Coronavirus

Talking Feds

Harry Litman

News, Politics, Government

4.8 • 4.5K Ratings

🗓️ 4 May 2020

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

Four of the nation’s premier experts in counter-intelligence and national security—Kate Brannen, Frank Figliuzzi, Juliette Kayyem, and Sam Vinograd—reconvene without Harry at the virtual Double Agent Bar & Grill, for a no-holds-barred discussion of the most troubling and important aspects of the virus. The 4 cut to the core in a rich and freewheeling conversation about the grave dangers that the virus, and Trump’s inept handling of it, pose to the US’s security and our standing in the world. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to Talking Feds, a round table that brings together prominent former federal officials

0:12.5

and special guests for a dynamic discussion of the most important legal topics of the day.

0:18.0

I'm Harry Littman. I'm a former United States attorney and I'm the legal affairs columnist

0:23.6

for the Los Angeles Times opinion page. We are at a significant inflection point in the country's

0:30.2

all-consuming struggle with COVID-19 and the country itself seems to be dividing along its

0:37.2

seams. In the last few days, states like Georgia and Texas have begun a process of ending their

0:43.0

shelter in place orders. Those decisions are not tied to any scientific or medical assessment,

0:49.2

for example, two weeks of declining numbers of cases, but rather come down to people being sick

0:54.9

of the restrictions and in serious need of resuming economic life. And like everything else in the

1:01.4

country during the last three-plus years, the divergences among states track pre-existent

1:07.2

red-blue division and fault lines of support or opposition to President Trump. So in other states

1:14.0

where orders remain in place, we're now seeing the breakout of demonstrations typically by Trump

1:20.1

supporters and with organized support from deep pocketed far-right activists. Much of the blame for

1:26.8

the polarization lies directly at the feet of Trump and the White House, who, when not dispensing

1:32.9

unvented advice like maybe people should swallow bleach, continue to whip up the anti-government

1:39.2

sentiments of the base and dull out critical equipment according to raw political calculations.

1:45.9

It's the same Trump playbook except here the botched and politicized plays pose serious danger

1:52.1

for human life. No aspect of the Trump presidency is immune from Trump's divisiveness and base

1:58.5

self-interest and that goes in spades for intelligence and homeland security areas that above all need to

2:06.0

run on candor and credibility. Talking Feds listeners remember that we've approached these areas

2:12.1

in a special way, namely in complete, unmediated discussion among the experts. So let's return now

2:19.8

to the table in the back of the virtual double agent bar and grill where phenomenal group of experts

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