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Hello and welcome to a new series of The Bottom Line. Since we left you at the end of last year, this has happened.

After months of talks and tortuous last-minute negotiations, the UK and the EU have finally agreed a free trade deal setting out their post-Brexit relationship.

Well, a month in, how is it going?

Amid the noise of massive COVID disruption, can we discern whether business is served or disturbed

by the new trading relationship with the EU?

Now, on the bottom line, we're doing something rather different today because

almost five years ago, just before the referendum, we debated the pros and cons of being in the

EU with several guests. And in a kind of tribute addition to Radio 4's reunion program,

we have reassembled the cast from five years ago with one or two amendments.

This is not to relitigate the referendum argument that we had back then, but to see whether

we have an idea about whether the hopes and fears of the pre-referendum era were delivered

in practice. So let us briefly meet the panel. I'm going to start with Julia Gash, artist and entrepreneur, we're describing you as Julia.

Maybe you can tell us what you were doing then and how your life has changed since those five years ago.

Well, five years ago, I was running a fast-growing manufacturing company making canvas tote bags. So what's changed since then

is I sold my manufacturing company a year later in 2017 and I began licensing my artwork around the

world. So rather than it being made in the UK and shipped to countries

all over the world, I developed licence agreements with manufacturers in specific territories.

They made them, say, in America or Japan and sold them within their own countries.

So you're doing the more intellectual property end of it and you've left

the manufacturing to others. So that's no longer so much your business. Absolutely. I still do

export a little bit because I also have an online shop and Etsy marketplace. So I'm selling

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