Return of the Abortion Pill Wars
Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts
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4.6 • 3.4K Ratings
🗓️ 16 May 2026
⏱️ 67 minutes
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Summary
This week on Amicus, hosts Dahlia Lithwick and Mark Joseph Stern break down a whirlwind stretch of reproductive rights legal battles, from the Fifth Circuit's sweeping nationwide ban on telehealth medication abortion, to the Supreme Court's emergency order blocking it. Madiba Dennie (Deputy Editor, Balls and Strikes; and author of The Originalism Trap) joins to explain what the furious dissents from Justices Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito reveal about where this is all headed.
Then, Dahlia sits down with writer, activist, and former NARAL president Ilyse Hogue for a wide-ranging conversation about why the assault on medication abortion and the assault on voting rights are the same fight — and why progressives keep losing the narrative battle even when public opinion and shared values are on their side. They also discuss an overlooked but hugely significant win for free speech in the Media Matters v. FTC case, and why fighting back against government bullying matters more than ever.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Amicus Slate's podcast about the courts, the law, and the Supreme Court. |
| 0:09.9 | I'm Dahlia Lethwick. |
| 0:11.0 | And I'm Mark Joseph Stern. |
| 0:13.4 | The left treats the courts as a pathway to justice and the right treats the courts as a pathway to power. |
| 0:18.8 | These are very dangerous drugs. I mean, |
| 0:21.6 | the potential for harm to pregnant women is really significant. It's effective, it's essential, |
| 0:27.4 | it's safer than Viagra. If you hold positions that are not popular, you have to find ways |
| 0:34.5 | to shield yourself from that accountability. And that means fewer people being |
| 0:39.2 | able to vote. The Democrats, they've redistricted for years. And now we took our shot. And it |
| 0:45.1 | looks like we're going to pick up a lot of seats. And that's a good thing. Calais is one in a very, |
| 0:50.9 | very long line of decisions that was teed up after they felt like they had the |
| 0:58.2 | bulletproof majority of the court to enact this strategy where they could hold supreme |
| 1:05.4 | control and yet insulate themselves from the consequences. |
| 1:10.2 | When our communities are split apart, our maps are redrawn for political convenience, |
| 1:15.9 | we not only lose representation, but trust in the democratic process as a whole. |
| 1:20.9 | There was not a huge visceral response from the public, given the gravity of the decision. And we really need to |
| 1:30.1 | understand why if we're going to do better. |
| 1:36.3 | This is Mark Joseph Stern, Slate Senior Writer and Amicus co-host. I'm back from parental leave |
| 1:41.7 | for now and hopping into the host chair on Maine to bring you up to date with the Supreme Court's late Thursday decision to block the Fight and Fitz Circuit's nationwide ban on prescribing the abortion drug Miffa Pristone virtually and sending it through the mail. |
| 1:57.3 | Dahlia will be with us a little later for a conversation with writer, activist, and former president of Nairal Pro-Choice |
| 2:03.8 | Hogue, who will lay out all the ways the legal assault on medication abortion is part and parcel of attacks on the right to vote, and how failing to explain that to voters could be disastrous for the midterms and beyond. But first, it's |
| 2:19.5 | deja vu all over again as medication abortion returns to the Supreme Court. Here to talk |
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