So I am here at Game Developers Conference 2018 with Mark Termell, a self-described

grizzled game designer who presented this morning talking about NBA Jam, but you

worked on a lot of other games in your time at Midway and also before that and

after that you're still in the games industry. Sure, yeah I might be the longest

holdover ever. My first game came out in 1980. I was making Apple 2 games, bought

an Apple 2 with 16K of memory and cassette drive. It started to make a game and

it took me a few months by a game called Sneakers. It came out in 1980. It was a

big hit. I was about 15 years old and started getting royalty checks for about

10K a month and didn't really know the value of a dollar. But started college

early, went off to college and then when I realized the value of a dollar and

what a college graduate would make back there in the 1980s, I said,

let's go make games for a living. So I never look back. Yeah, so I don't know

anything about this game Sneakers actually. I read your bio and everything and I

didn't see any mention of that. Who was that published by? There was a big company

on the Apple 2 for games, serious software, SIR, IUS. Okay, sure. So I made a

couple of games for them and then they actually had reverse engineered the

Atari 2600, the VCS and said, why don't you come out, move from Michigan where

I grew up to California to make VCS cartridges. And so I did that, made a

couple of games. First game was called Fast Eddy and then I did a game called

Turmoyle. Those came out through 20th century Fox. They were publishing games

back in the day and then eventually our little group got sucked up by

Activision. So I ended up working for Activision there on the heyday. Okay, I

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