Don't hold anything too tightly.

Just wish for it, want it, let it come from the intention of real truth for you,

and then let it go.

For me our soul is like it's unbound it's limitless but we will use words to

limit ourselves.

When people stop believing that somebody's got your back or Superman's coming, we turn to ourselves

and that's where you become empowered.

Courageous participation attracts positive things.

I'm Gwyneth Paltrow and this is the Goop Podcast, where we bring together visionaries, scientists, healers, artists, and seekers.

I'm so grateful that I get to interview these extraordinary thought leaders and share their

wisdom with you.

And I love listening to the conversations that are led by my co-host and dear friend

Cleo Wade. Cleo is a beautiful poet and author. I deeply admire her and the way she keeps her heart open to the world.

Together we believe that engaging an open-minded, honest, and sometimes difficult conversations

has the power to change our lives.

All right, over to Cleo.

Today I'm chatting with author and poet Maggie Smith.

You may be familiar with Maggie from her memoir, You could make this place beautiful, which was originally

published last year. It is out now in a new paperback edition, so if you haven't picked it up I highly recommend that you do so and

that you share it with others. It is a book about her divorce and a meditation on grief and

being a human and how we can hold contradictions and complicated feelings at the same time,

while also giving language to our painful experiences.

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