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Realfoodology

Rethinking Vaccines: Informed Consent, Censorship, and Medical Transparency | Dr. Joel Warsh

Realfoodology

Courtney Swan

Nutrition, Health & Fitness, Alternative Health

4.91.3K Ratings

🗓️ 17 June 2025

⏱️ 94 minutes

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Summary

255: On today’s episode of the Realfoodology Podcast, I sit down with returning guest Dr. Joel Warsh - aka Dr. Joel Gator on Instagram - to talk about his new book Between A Shot and A Hard Place. I’ve been doing more episodes on vaccines lately, and before you tune out, I just want to say: this is not an anti-vax conversation. It’s about asking questions. Dr. Joel is a pediatrician who started digging into the research for his book and was shocked by how little we actually know. We talked about the lack of liability in vaccine development, the censorship around this topic, and how we can create space for real, open dialogue. I hope you’ll listen with an open mind. Topics Discussed → Why Dr. Joel wrote Between A Shot and A Hard Place → Vaccine propaganda, censorship, and open dialogue → The 1986 Vaccine Injury Liability Act → Autism, risk factors, and vaccine hesitancy → Informed consent and questioning medical norms Sponsored By: → Timeline | They’re offering my audience a 20% discount on all first-time purchases! Use code REALFOODOLOGY at checkout at timeline.com/REALFOODOLOGYGUMMIES → LMNT | Get a free 8-count Sample Pack of LMNT’s most popular drink mix flavors with any purchase at drinklmnt.com/realfoodology. → Qualia | Go to qualialife.com/REALFOODOLOGY for up to 50% off your purchase and use code REALFOODOLOGY for an additional 15%.  → MANUKORA | Go to Manukora.com/REALFOODOLOGY to get $25 off the Starter Kit, which comes with an MGO 850+ Manuka Honey jar, 5 honey travel sticks, a wooden spoon, and a guidebook!  → Paleovalley | Save at 15% at paleovalley.com/realfoodology and use code REALFOODOLOGY → Jaspr | Get $400 off with code REALFOODOLOGY and link is jaspr.co/realfoodology Timestamps:  → 00:00:00 - Introduction  → 00:04:10 - “Between A Shot and A Hard Place“ and Vaccine Propaganda  → 00:06:37 - Vaccine Literature and Potential Unknown Risks → 00:09:15 - Censorship of Vaccine Discussions → 00:18:11 - Autism and the Andrew Wakefield Study → 00:22:56 - Vaccine Liability Act → 00:26:13 - Side effects of pharmaceutical interventions → 00:32:16 - Encouraging Critical Thinking in Medicine → 00:34:59 - Rethinking Doctor Training Regarding Vaccines → 00:39:46 - Viewing Vaccines From a Parent’s Perspective → 00:43:03 - Navigating Vaccine Hesitancy, Patient Transparency, and Autism Statistics → 00:46:03 - The Impact of Autism on Families → 00:49:51 - Autism in  Unvaccinated Children → 00:54:11 - What Surprised Dr. Joel Most in His Research → 00:59:56 - Modern Health Concerns and Life Expectancies → 01:02:10 - Rising Diagnoses and the Role of Informed Consent → 01:08:18 - Challenges in U.S. Research Funding → 01:12:23 - RFK Jr.’s Involvement → 01:15:53 - HPV and the Gardasil Vaccine → 01:19:59 - Advice for Parents Seeking Vaccine Clarity → 01:29:39 - The Importance of Asking Questions → 01:32:07 - Where to find Dr. Joel Warsh Show Links: → Toxins, Over-Sanitizing + Children’s Health | Dr. Joel Warsh Check Out Dr. Joel Warsh: → Between A Shot and A Hard Place → Instagram → X Check Out Courtney:  → LEAVE US A VOICE MESSAGE → Check Out My new FREE Grocery Guide! → @realfoodology → www.realfoodology.com → My Immune Supplement by 2x4 → Air Dr Air Purifier → AquaTru Water Filter → EWG Tap Water Database Produced By: Drake Peterson

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0:00.0

On today's episode of the Real Foodology Podcast.

0:02.9

We should assume that we can make things better, but who is making vaccine companies make

0:07.3

vaccines better?

0:08.1

Where they don't have any liability.

0:09.3

They have no reason to study it.

0:10.7

They have no reason to improve them.

0:12.2

They have no reason to make them safer.

0:14.3

We have to make them do that.

0:16.1

Hello, friends.

0:16.7

Welcome back to another episode of the Real Foodology Podcast.

0:19.3

I'm your host, Courtney Swan, and today's

0:21.1

episode is a return guest. I actually sat down with Dr. Joel Warsh, also known as Dr. Joel Gator on

0:29.0

Instagram. I have been admittedly doing more episodes recently on vaccines, and before you turn this off,

0:37.1

I just want to encourage you to listen to a different

0:39.8

perspective that I haven't had on the podcast actually yet. And the conversation of vaccines is so

0:45.0

divisive right now. You're not allowed to ask questions at all and you have to be pro vaccine.

0:49.6

And if you ask a single question, then you're automatically put in this box of anti-vaccine.

0:53.8

Where can we

0:54.3

bridge that gap and meet in the middle, right? And learn to just as humans have a conversation and

0:58.9

maybe have a little humility over the fact that the science isn't fully settled yet. And this is what

1:04.6

I really loved about Joel and his new book that's coming out. He started out on a quest because he's a

1:09.8

pediatrician and he wanted to be able to know

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