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Rethinking School in the Age of AI

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🗓️ 21 April 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

AI has upended school as we know it. In this episode, Daniel and Tristan talk with Maryanne Wolf and Rebecca Winthrop about how tech has broken the old model of education—and how we might build something better.

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0:00.0

Hey everyone, this is Tristan and this is Daniel.

0:07.0

Welcome to your undivided attention.

0:09.0

AI is set to disrupt every part of our lives in the near future, healthcare, finances,

0:15.0

the job market, you name it. And some of this disruption is a few years away, but there's

0:19.0

one place where it's immediate,

0:21.1

and that's the classroom. Students can plug their homework into chat GPT, and it spits out an answer

0:25.6

within seconds. It can write their essays for them, give them personalized cliff notes, and even answer

0:30.5

complex math and science questions. And there's no way for teachers to tell. It's like the rug

0:35.1

has been pulled out from the entire system. Yeah, even if these students don't want to use these systems to cheat, they often feel

0:41.2

like they have to, or else they're going to fall behind their peers who are. When your grade

0:45.4

feels like it's the only thing that matters, then all of the incentives push kids towards

0:49.1

using and abusing these tools. And of course, teachers are struggling to figure out how to grade

0:53.1

assignments. The old way of running education struggling to figure out how to grade assignments.

0:58.0

The old way of running education seems suddenly and pretty fundamentally broken.

1:04.3

So in a way, AI is forcing us to rethink what education is for and what the education system does. And that's critical because education is obviously the foundation of our society. If we do it

1:08.8

right, it will set up our society to thrive,

1:15.4

but if we do it wrong, the consequences can be disastrous. So we're at an inflection point,

1:19.5

where we can actually re-examine some fundamental questions about what is the purpose of education.

1:24.3

What is it actually for? So to begin to answer that question, we've invited two guests on the show who've thought deeply about the structure and purpose of teaching for a very long time. Marianne Wolfe is a cognitive neuroscientist and expert on the development of the learning

1:32.2

brain. She's the author of Proust and The Squid and Reader Come Home, which explore how reading,

1:37.6

writing, and thinking affect brain development. And Rebecca Winthrop is the director of the Center for

1:42.2

Universal Education at the Brookings Institution, where she's on the Global Task Force for AI and Education.

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