Rethinking Salvation, Allegiance, and the Whole Christ Event - w/ Matthew Bates
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🗓️ 1 June 2020
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
How reframing the gospel as the enthronement of King Jesus—not just personal forgiveness—transforms our understanding of salvation, faith, and the mission of the church. Mike Erre and Tim Stafford are joined by theologian and author Dr. Matthew Bates to uncover how early Christian proclamations of the gospel centered on Jesus' kingship, not just his atonement.
This episode dives deep into controversial theological waters, challenging common evangelical interpretations of faith, grace, salvation, and works—with the goal of recentering our gospel language around the lordship and kingship of Jesus Christ.
Key Takeaways: • The Full Christ Event as Gospel – Why the gospel must include Jesus' incarnation, life, death, resurrection, ascension, and enthronement—not just his death for sin. • Faith as Allegiance – How the New Testament concept of "faith" (pistis) includes embodied loyalty and allegiance, not just belief in promises. • Reframing Grace and Works – How our traditional individualistic view of "grace" may limit the biblical message, and why responding to grace isn't legalism. • Salvation as Communal and Cosmic – Understanding salvation as deliverance into the new creation and Spirit-filled community, not just an individual ticket to heaven. • Ephesians 2 Reexamined – Breaking apart four key gospel words—grace, saved, faith, and works—and revealing how they support allegiance-based discipleship.
Guest Highlights: Dr. Matthew Bates – Theology professor at Quincy University and author of Salvation by Allegiance Alone and Gospel Allegiance. Bates offers a fresh scholarly framework for rediscovering the gospel as King Jesus proclaimed it—centered on the claim that Jesus is enthroned as King and worthy of our total allegiance.
Resources Mentioned: • Matthew Bates – matthewwbates.com • Books: Salvation by Allegiance Alone & Gospel Allegiance by Matthew Bates • Book: Paul and the Gift by John M.G. Barclay • Podcast: OnScript Podcast • Ephesians 2:8–10 • Romans 2:16, 3:21–26 • Mark 1:14–15 (Jesus' proclamation of the kingdom) • Luke's Gospel – Narrative of salvation through discipleship
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| 0:00.0 | Hello Vox and welcome to shoot that's how |
| 0:09.6 | Keep it, we're keeping it. |
| 0:12.1 | Hello Vox podcast, we are keeping this. |
| 0:16.0 | Hello Vox podcast. |
| 0:17.3 | This is why I can't be in charge of the intro. |
| 0:20.2 | We're, we are, we're a bit of a mess today. |
| 0:25.9 | Anyway, welcome to the show, Mike, Bonnie, and Tim here. And we want to, we, you know, usually we do a |
| 0:33.5 | hair update, but today we need a kind of a sleep update because Tim, I got to tell you, |
| 0:39.1 | Tim's looking, the word that comes to mind today is haggard. |
| 0:43.7 | You know what's funny too is I just thought about that when we were talking as a very short |
| 0:48.3 | preface to this episode about allegiance, pledging allegiance, but there's a song about, I pledge allegiance to the hag. |
| 0:56.9 | And it's a whole song about pledging your allegiance to Merle Haggard. |
| 1:00.9 | For all you Eric Church fans out there. |
| 1:04.0 | Okay. |
| 1:04.2 | So, yeah, so four of four of you will get that reference probably. |
| 1:10.9 | But you're my people. |
| 1:12.0 | But yes, yes. |
| 1:13.8 | So Timothy, what, what's going on? |
| 1:18.3 | Well, the last couple days here in Northern California have been in the high 90s. |
| 1:23.6 | So it's been very hot. |
| 1:25.3 | And it was a really abrupt turn. |
| 1:26.8 | So it was kind of disorienting and then |
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