Rethinking meat

Future Perfect

Vox Media Podcast Network

Politics, Society & Culture, Philosophy, Tech News, News

4.5 • 622 Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2020

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

How can we convince people to change their relationship with meat? Melanie Joy has been grappling with this question for a long time. To answer it, she takes us back to other points in history when new technology helped make social change palatable. She digs into how the invention of the washing machine and other household appliances, for example, helped make feminism easier to imagine. Then, she looks to the future, at our latest meat technologies — plant-based meat and lab grown meat — and asks: Could they make it easier for us to move away from meat altogether? Further listening and reading: Joy’s books, Powerarchy: Understanding the Psychology of Oppression for Social Transformation and Why We Love Dogs, Eat Pigs, and Wear Cows. Vox’s Ezra Klein interviewed Joy for an episode of The Ezra Klein Show in 2018. Hear that interview and read her book recommendations here. We always want to hear from you! Please send comments and questions to [email protected]. Subscribe to Future Perfect on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite podcast app to automatically get new episodes of the latest season each week. This podcast is made possible thanks to support from Animal Charity Evaluators. They research and promote the most effective ways to help animals. Featuring: Melanie Joy (@DrMelanieJoy) Host: Sigal Samuel (@SigalSamuel), staff writer, Vox More to explore: Follow all of Future Perfect’s reporting on the Future of Meat. Subscribe to Vox’s Future Perfect newsletter, which breaks down big, complicated problems the world faces and the most efficient ways to solve them. Follow Us: Vox.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start.
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0:25.1	Well, my story starts in 1989 when I ate a hamburger, what was to become my very last hamburger, my very last piece of meat.
0:34.1	Our storyteller here is Dr. Melanie Joy.
0:36.9	I got violently, violently ill, more ill than I've ever been in my life.
0:41.8	I had a fever so high, I was hallucinating.
0:43.7	And as it turned out, that hamburger had been contaminated with campelobacter,
0:49.5	which is like the red meat version, essentially, of salmonella.
0:56.0	And so, you know, when you're just really sick like that, you don't want to eat the last
1:01.1	food that you had. So I was just too disgusted to eat meat after that, so I stopped. And I became,
1:08.4	essentially, I became a vegetarian by accident.
1:13.2	But even if it was an accident, eating vegetarian was a real lifestyle change.
1:18.0	Melanie ate lots of meat, and she was especially fond of meat-lovers pizza.
1:22.6	So she had to figure out new things to cook and new ways to top pizzas.
1:27.1	She started poking around in books for recipes and tips.
1:30.3	And in this exploration, I inevitably stumbled upon information about animal agriculture.
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