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Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman.

Just one announcement before today's episode.

As you may remember, I had Peter Singer on this podcast many months ago,

and Peter recently emailed me to tell me that because of that podcast,

a woman in California donated $200,000 to his organization,

the life you can save,

and 90% of that money goes to evidence-backed charities that fight extreme poverty.

So that's a great feeling.

Okay, on to today's guest.

Desiree Campbell is a YouTuber, writer, and artist.

Her show, which I've been on, is called Just Thinking Out Loud.

Desire and I talk about racial identity and quote-unquote blackness,

the notion of racial pride, the differences between America and Desire's homeland of Jamaica

with respect to racial identity, how children think about race, affirmative action, immigration,

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