Rethinking Democracy: Would Citizens Do a Better Job than Politicians? (Hélène Landemore)
Radical with Amol Rajan
BBC
4.5 • 919 Ratings
🗓️ 2 April 2026
⏱️ 56 minutes
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Summary
In this week’s episode, Amol sits down with Yale political theorist and author of ‘Politics Without Politicians’, Professor Hélène Landemore, to discuss her argument to revive citizen‑led governance. She explains why she believes our current electoral systems fall short of representing the full diversity of the population and lays out a practical roadmap for what she calls an “open democracy.”
Hélène also addresses the most common critiques of her approach and highlights real-world examples of citizen assemblies – how would they work at scale? Who would (and wouldn’t) be allowed on them? And what if people simply aren’t interested?
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| 0:47.2 | You know, if you heard our episode with James Kanagosur, he's a pollster, of course, he coined the term |
| 0:52.3 | red wall and he has dived deep into |
| 0:54.4 | public opinion. And you would have got a very clear sense from him that one of the dominant |
| 0:59.0 | feelings out there amongst the public, maybe in your mind and your heart too, is that politics |
| 1:03.8 | is not working. Democracy just is not delivering for the people as it perhaps used to. And this |
| 1:10.4 | week's guest is an academic from Yale University who has given this a huge amount |
| 1:15.1 | of thought and who is really at the heart of a global movement to try to revive democracy |
| 1:21.2 | through citizen rule. |
| 1:23.6 | L.N. Landemore is a professor of political science at Yale University, and she argues that electoral politics is failing, but democracy itself isn't. |
| 1:33.7 | And her latest book is called Politics Without Politicians, the case for citizen rule. |
| 1:38.9 | And politics without politicians is a very interesting idea, it's counterintuitive, It's pretty radical. And she is laying out a bold alternative |
| 1:45.7 | to the way politics is done today. |
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