It's so good to see you and have you back on the show, Lindsay. Welcome.

Thank you for having me back. I was a pleasure.

Lindsay Doll is the coolest nerd you'll ever meet, the expert in all things, non-toxic living, but from the perspective of realism. And one of the things that I love about previously working with you, I guess we're still

working together.

But in this space is this like balanced approach that you have in terms of we can care about

our own personal health and optimize that, but we don't have to do it at the expense of our stress

and our well-being. We can also do that without the expense of public health, right?

Like there's this nuanced approach. I was actually talking to my husband about this last

night, and I was actually crying.

So I'm excited that we're going to talk about it today because I don't think that people

truly understand how difficult it is to kind of sit in this weird spot of wanting to talk

about non-toxic living without going over the edge into like pseudoscience

and things that just aren't true or aren't truly good for us if we stress about every single

toxin in our life. So all of that said, also, how are you? How's life? Are you surviving? i know you've had a lot of moves and changes

since we last talked but it's so good to have you here and hopefully we can like open this

pandora's box and talk a little bit about not just what's that that's like for us but also like

how people can live and exist and try to strive for these things without getting sucked into what I would say goes too far and is not good for them in a bigger sense of the word.

Yep. Thanks for having me on, Stacey. It's good to see you too. I am doing well. I feel like for all of us, life feels really intense and chaotic right now.

And I completely understand the conversation that you had with your husband last night.

And I think it's like not enough people are talking about the psychology behind environmental health, essentially.

And so thank you for kind of opening with that because it's something I'm really passionate about.

I think there's a couple things.

...