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The Patrick Madrid Show

Responding to Common Pro-Abortion Arguments (Special Podcast Highlight)

The Patrick Madrid Show

Relevant Radio

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

4.8 โ€ข 588 Ratings

๐Ÿ—“๏ธ 18 January 2024

โฑ๏ธ 6 minutes

๐Ÿงพ๏ธ Download transcript

Summary

In a recent episode of The Patrick Madrid Show, Patrick had a compelling conversation with a caller named Jessica who brought up some questions related to the pro-life debate.ย 

๐Ÿ‘ถ The Misconception About Miscarriage and Abortion Laws: Jessica shared a personal story about her pregnancy where the baby was sadly no longer viable. Patrick clarified a crucial point โ€“ if the unborn child has died, the pregnancy has, in essence, ended. Procedures like a D&C in these circumstances arenโ€™t considered abortion in the Church's eyes, as they don't involve the intentional ending of a living unborn child. Patrick reassured that even in states with strict abortion laws, medical procedures for miscarriages aren't prohibited. He debunked the fear-mongering myth that women could be penalized for seeking necessary medical care after a miscarriage.

๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿ‘ง Men in the Abortion Debate: Jessica wondered why men should have a say in abortion discussions. Patrick offered a zesty perspective: since it takes a man to conceive, the child is as much his as the woman's. He argued that not needing to personally experience something to recognize its morality is a key point. Likening it to understanding murder is wrong without having to commit it, Patrick highlighted the moral duty to stand against what's immoral. He amusingly pointed out the inconsistency in the pro-abortion stance: men's opinions are accepted if they support abortion, but rejected if they oppose it. Look at Roe v Wade! All the people who decided the case were men!ย 

๐Ÿ“š A Resource to Combat Pro-Abortion Arguments: Wrapping up, Patrick encouraged Jessica to check out Relevant Radio's Fast for Life ebook on responding to common pro-abortion arguments. It's a fun resource packed with information to equip and inspire!

Transcript

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0:00.0

Let's go to Jessica now in Santa Ana. Good morning, Jessica.

0:02.9

I just had, I wanted to comment on the whole abortion topic.

0:08.8

Okay.

0:09.4

So personally, I was pregnant.

0:14.1

My baby was no longer viable. There was no heartbeat.

0:18.5

Okay.

0:19.7

Say I lived in a state where you could not get an abortion.

0:24.2

At what point is it okay to end that pregnancy?

0:29.9

Well, thank you for explaining how it was for you.

0:33.8

You're not really ending a pregnancy if the fetus has died. So if the unborn child at whatever

0:40.6

stage of development dies, you're not ending the pregnancy, the pregnancy already ended.

0:46.0

What you would be doing would be evacuating the remains of the now dead child. So the soul has

0:52.4

gone on into eternity and the body remains. So a DNC, for example,

0:57.1

would be a way to evacuate the remains. Now, I know that in medical literature, that can be referred to

1:04.3

as an abortion, but that's not an abortion in the sense that the church means it, which is the

1:09.3

intentional killing of the unborn child.

1:12.6

That's obviously not what happened in your case. So even in those states where there is a ban on

1:18.6

abortion, that does not extend to things like a DNC for a miscarriage. That's not an abortion

1:25.8

in the sense that those laws prohibit abortions. It prohibits,

1:29.5

rather, the intentional killing of a child, an unborn child while it's still alive, he or she.

1:36.6

You see the distinction? Yeah. Yeah. And I think that the pro-abortion people have tried really hard to scare women into thinking that

1:46.1

if you have a miscarriage, well, then you're stuck because you'll go to jail if you go in and have a DNC,

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