Hello and welcome to malicious life in collaboration with Cyberism.

A few weeks ago in August of 2019 the annual

Black Hat Convention was held in Las Vegas. One of the keynote speakers was

Mikko Hippunen, chief researcher at F secure and a person who is considered by many, me included, one of the leading thinkers of our time with regards to cyber security.

The title of Miku's talk in Black Hat was responding to a cyber

attack with missiles. I had the privilege to interview Mikko after his talk in Cyber Reasons

Booth at Black Hat to discuss this very sensitive topic.

Should governments respond with kinetic force against cyber attacks and if so, what are the

moral and practical implications of such a response.

Now Mikko's background is in the civilian world of cybersecurity and although as I said

I very much hold his views with great respect, I wanted to discuss this matter with someone who comes from a different background, a military and governmental background in our case.

Why?

Because sometimes different backgrounds give us different perspectives.

And so I have with me here in the studio, Professor Itik Ben Israel, one of Israel's

form of thinkers and influencers in cybersecurity, and someone with exactly the background which I was looking for.

Professor Ben Israel is former general in the IDF, former head of the IDF and Ministry of Defense

R&D Directorate, former member of the Israeli Knesset, former Chairman of the National Council

for Research and Development, and currently Chairman of the Israeli Space Agency and Director of the Interdisciplinary Cyber Research Center in Tel Aviv University and he led the National Task Force which

founded Israel's National Cyber Directorate.

Thank you very much for joining me in the studio.

So what we'll do is I'll play a short audio clip

for my interview with Mikko Hippenen,

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