Hey guys, welcome the conversations. I'm at'm Chris, I have been working today on an essay that I hope was going to be done, but it's not.

And it's on the Proposition Nation and Christian nationalism, and it's a take that I don't think you've heard from

anywhere else at least I haven't and I think it's going to be beneficial I think it's going to show you

what the root of this actual disagreement is over quote-unquote Christian nationalism and one thing that struck me today

which is one of the reasons I wanted to give you a short podcast tonight is that I think Mike

Pence and Donald Trump are on two different sides of this and I'm and I'm not saying Christian nationalism per se, on the surface, I'm saying the

root issue here, which is I think the root issue is whether or not America or any nation in particular

should define themselves by any religion, Christianity in this case, but

whether that's fundamental to national character and then of or in this case the United States, they are subject to those laws, those

requirements. And I think there's a one group saying that no we don't need that we want universal

principles because that's what America is it's this idea it's an abstract notion

it's liberty it's freedom it's equality that's what America

is and it's an idea that's really what it is and then on the other side I think you

have people saying no it's rooted it's tangible it's it's a you can feel it it's it's got it

speaks a language it there's a lineage involved there's all these different

aspects that make up what a nation is and when you combine them all together and you look at them

religion's gonna play a part in this now I've said before that doesn't mean every single person is necessarily a Christian.

It just means there's a tone set.

There's laws are based upon a certain foundation foundational moral structure that comes from

a religion. It means that

social mores, I mean we still see this at Christmas time. There's people who aren't

even Christians will they acknowledge Jesus that you still hear Christmas carols that acknowledge Jesus at least in some places and so anyway

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