Another way that we erase mothers is with a false narrative that says,

it's the hardest job in the world. You're a saint. Mothers are saintly and giving and all loving,

which erases all the real moms who feel so cut off from God they can't even pray.

Welcome to the Good Faith podcast. We are friends who follow Jesus, help each other make sense of the world.

I'm your host, Curtis Chang. At Good Faith, we began the new year with a series on areas in our life where we might need to hit reset. Recently, I had a conversation with John Mark Comer on how we hit

reset in our spiritual relationship with God.

And I'm pleased to present here a bonus episode where I talk with my friends Tara Etashik

and Kathy Twan McLean about spiritual formation with a special emphasis on motherhood.

Here's my conversation.

A universal experience of every human being living in the world is that they have been mothered.

All of us have been mothered by someone.

And so that's a universal experience, but only a smaller subset of all human beings have actually been

a mother.

And that means that being a mother is an experience that all of us actually should really

care about because we've been on the receiving end of that.

But what is it like to be a mother?

What is that like especially from a spiritual perspective? And that seems like that's

the question that we all, if we want to be making sense of our world, given how important mothers are,

should have some insight into. What is the spiritual inside nature of being a mother? That's a

question for today. And to do that, I'm really glad to welcome two authors,

the first Tara Etlschick and second, Kathy Twan McLean. Together, they've written a book, a devotional

called Moms at the Well, Meeting God Through the Mothers of Scripture.

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