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Visit Gentex.com to check out the latest in digital vision, connected car, and dimmable glass technologies. Hi everybody. Welcome to Shift, a podcast about mobility. I'm Pete Bigelow,

your host and reporter at the Automotive News.

Hi, Leslie Allen, editor of Shift magazine.

And it's Alexa St. John, covering tech and suppliers.

Joining us on the podcast today for a timely conversation is Liza Dixon.

She is a PhD candidate and researcher who is looking into the field of human machine interaction. She is famous, I think, might be the right word at this point. For coining the term autana washing. We are going to tell you all about autana Washington more in just a few minutes.

But first, we have a very related newsworthy topic today, Leslie and Alexa, and it is of course

the big news of the week the Tesla crash in Texas

Leslie what are some of the details that you have learned about that ongoing story. What's the latest?

Well, the main headline of this Tesla crash in Texas,

which I believe was somewhere outside of Houston,

is that apparently there was no one behind the wheel at all of this vehicle and the passengers were both

killed in the crash and it was a very fiery crash that took a long time for the

fire department to put out the thermal runaway from the lithium ion batteries

really posed the big challenge to the fire department.

And this has really sparked a lot of debate on Twitter and

the whole idea of autopilot, whether that is the appropriate name for the technology, whether people are putting too much trust and what are essentially level two systems like that.

I was drawn to a quote that I found on Twitter from one of our past podcast guests who is Missy Cummings from Duke University,

the Press School of Engineering.

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