Summary
Vitaly and the BBC’s Katya Khinkulova speak to Pavel Shulga, who’s about to travel to Severodonetsk to evacuate women and children from battle zones.
Frank Gardner tells us what’s happening on the ground and tells us about the diplomatic developments.
And we catch up with Olga Drover, who lives in Troon in Scotland, who we heard from last in March, when she had lost contact with her parents in Mariupol when it came under attack. They’re now reunited.
Today’s episode was made by Clare Williamson and Chris Flynn. The planning editor is Louise Hidalgo and the editor is Jonathan Aspinwall.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds Music Radio Podcasts |
| 0:04.8 | Hello, it's day 117 of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. |
| 0:11.2 | At the weekend, Ukraine voted to ban Russian music and books in media and public spaces. |
| 0:17.6 | Vitaly, what does this mean? Could this play into Russian propaganda? |
| 0:21.8 | Well, to start with, I have to say that Russian music, |
| 0:26.8 | Russian films, Russian books, were everywhere in Ukraine. |
| 0:30.8 | Not just in the Russian-speaking parts of Ukraine, but in the West as well, |
| 0:34.8 | Ukrainian-speaking West. Whenever you bought a bus, the so-called |
| 0:39.1 | Marshallutka, there would be a Russian music playing there. |
| 0:42.8 | On TV, on the radio, it was everywhere. |
| 0:45.7 | Now, times are changing. |
| 0:48.4 | And as we discussed on the podcast before, Russian culture |
| 0:53.6 | has, for all the wrong reasons, become associated with war and aggression. |
| 1:00.7 | And a lot of people are giving it up. |
| 1:02.4 | They've stopped listening to Russian music and watching Russian films. |
| 1:07.6 | And the government, I think, is deepening that rift |
| 1:13.2 | between Ukrainian culture and Russian culture. |
| 1:17.1 | Mainly because Russian culture has often, in the past, |
| 1:21.6 | been used as a vehicle to promote expansionist Russian views. |
| 1:27.7 | And many performers in Russia, they have supported the war. |
| 1:35.3 | And there doesn't necessarily mean that they genuinely want Ukraine to be obliterated. |
| 1:40.5 | The way it works in Russia, to be allowed to perform, |
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