Okay. This is so exciting. We're so excited. You know, we've done the sports romance episode a number of times. Twice, right? Before Jen? Yeah. And, you know, so we've had a lot to say about, you know, sports and balls and sports balls. And but this time we're going to do it right because we asked Jessica Luther, sports expert, investigative journalist, author, podcaster, who has worked extensively on the intersection of sports and gender, and also specifically gendered violence.

And, fun fact, is a big romance reader.

And I know Jessica from long before her book on sportsman like conduct and loving sport because you have been a historical romance reader and we met that way.

So welcome Jessica Luther.

Thank you so much.

Today I'm so thrilled.

I'm so thrilled to be here.

Thank you.

We are so excited because you are also, you have had, you are no longer doing Burn It

Down, right?

Yeah, I did Burn It all down, which was a

feminist sports podcast with four of my friends. It was five women co-hosting. And we did that for

about five and a half years. We went on hiatus a year ago and we're still technically on hiatus.

There's some behind the scenes, things happening, but the podcast ended about a year ago.

But there's a lot of good stuff in that back catalog.

I think we did a lot of good analysis within sports.

If that's something that your listeners are interested in, you can find a lot of good

like feminist sports stuff there.

And also I mentioned that you're a writer, but your second book,

which is loving sports when they don't love you back, dilemmas of the modern sports fan,

is really fascinating because it is all about, like, in a lot of ways, how to be a woman who

loves sports. Yeah, how to be a marginalized person and love sports. Like, I'm sure that

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