Hey, it's Max. We are off this week, so we are putting an old episode back through the

feed. It's actually not that old. It's only from April. It's a conversation I had with

David Graham about his new book, which is called The Wager, a tale of shipwreck, mutiny,

murder. It was the fourth time David has been on the show just as an aside. I got to say, one of the

great perks of having done the podcast for as long as we have is that you get to have that many

conversations with someone. It feels like not like four totally distinct conversations, but kind of

like one really long conversation. Anyway, I love talking to David. I love talking about this work

that he does. And when we talked, The Wager wasn't out yet. It was coming out in a couple of days

at the time. And since then, it has spent not surprisingly 10 weeks on the New York Times bestseller

list. It's currently at number two. And so while we were thinking about which episode to put back

through the feed this week, we figured maybe some of you, maybe many of you have read The Wager

since David and I talked back in April. So here is my conversation with David Graham. And we'll

be back with a brand new episode next week. Thanks for listening.

Hey, David Graham. Welcome back to the show. So good to be here four times. Four times. I was

sure you'd be sick of me by now. Never. You've got a lifetime pass, man. After what you endured

with the first interview I ever did for the show, I feel like the least I could do is talk to

every time you got something new out. Oh, it's so nice. I always say we mark time by our conversations.

I know. I know. I will, I will never be able to fully convey to you how completely nervous I was

for that first interview. Well, that's good because I get completely nervous for every interview.

So it's quite nervous now. I've been doing this for a while and we're number four and I still get

nervous. Well, I'm nervous now too, but that was a different level of nerves, man. I was like

barely able to muster the courage to walk into that room with my one microphone.

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