Hey, it's Max. We are off this week and next week, so we're putting a couple episodes

from earlier this year back through the feed. And this first one is a conversation that

I had with Chloe Cooper Jones. We talked back in April. It was just a few days before

her memoir, Easy Beauty, came out. The book, you may have seen the last couple of weeks,

was basically on every best of the year list. If you haven't read it, you should go do

that. It's about Chloe's life in lots of different ways, including what it's like to move through

the world in a disabled body and how her thinking has changed over the last several years.

This conversation, it's one of those ones that just stuck with me. I couldn't really

shake it. And you'll hear a couple of times in here where I'm just so struck by what

Chloe has said that I need a second, like just to process it. Like I don't always know

what to say myself. So anyway, here's my conversation with Chloe Cooper Jones from April

about her book Easy Beauty.

Hi Chloe. Hi Max. Thanks so much for doing the podcast. Thank you so much for having me.

This is one of my favorite sub genres of the long form podcast, which is talking to

someone right before their book launches. And I'm wondering how are you feeling?

Well, I'm feeling a lot of things. I'm feeling, you know, of course like very grateful and

excited. So a few nice things have happened. Like there have been a few early, positive

things. And I just had a piece that published yesterday in the New York Times magazine.

And it was an excerpt from the book. And that was very well received. And everyone's

very nice at this stage. But because the book isn't actually out, I'm kind of in the

stage where I feel like if you're like dating somebody and they take you on a date and

they're like, you're great. I really like the time that we spend together. I really like

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