Welcome back to the podcast, bribe, swindler, steel.

I'm Alexandra Rogi, and today we're talking about transnational repression and how it connects

to corruption.

My guest is Yanna Gorojofskaya.

Yanna is a senior research analyst with Freedom House, where her portfolio includes transnational

repression and migration.

Jana, thank you so much for joining me.

Thanks so much.

Thanks for having me.

Freedom House published a really fascinating report earlier this year on transnational

repression, our topic today.

What do you see is the key takeaways for people who

haven't given this issue a lot of thought? I think the key takeaway and something that I think

the report really made clear was that this is a global phenomenon that many, many states

engage in. It's not just isolated incidents around the world. So, you know,

what we found is that 31 states actually engaged in transnational repression, which, to be clear,

are efforts by governments to reach across national borders, to target people they perceive as a

threat. And these could be journalists, dissidents, activists.

Sometimes it's whole diaspora, whole ethnic communities, you know, and others that the state really

wants to silence. So 31 origin states active in 79 countries around the world. So this is really

a global phenomenon. Would you include, as you say that,

I think back to the 2015 bookseller cases in Hong Kong, would you include those, or is this only a

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