I think people are really hungry for, like, optimism in this industry, for something to make it.

And it's that kind of direct accountability to people that I think the people doing the work want to have again.

Yeah. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Paris Marks. And this week I have a really

exciting conversation for you. It might be a little bit inside baseball.

We'll see.

But I'm talking to the founders of a new tech media organization that I think you're going

to be really excited by and really interested in.

You know, if you like this podcast, it's going to be something that will be for you, I think.

And so my guests are Jason Kebler, the co-founder of 404 Media,

and former editor-in-chief of Weiss's motherboard, which was their tech vertical, and Samantha Cole,

who was also a co-founder of 404 Media, as well as the author of How Sex Changed the Internet,

and she was previously a senior editor at Motherboard. And so, as I said, they have this new media organization that they just launched,

you know, they left Motherboard to create 404 media, where they are going to continue their

kind of critical investigative work into the tech industry that motherboard has been doing for

so long and that they have been doing there.

And of course, motherboard is still around and they still have fantastic journalists. But they're

trying this kind of reader focused and reader supported publication, you know, a model that we have

seen more and more journalists adopting as the media industry has been facing so many

layoffs and cuts in recent years as, you know,

the whole business model, especially of smaller publications that are not like the New York Times,

seem to really be struggling.

And so I think that this is going to be a really important and kind of welcome addition

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