Hello and welcome to Forever 35, a podcast about the things we do to take care of ourselves.

I am your co-host, Elise Hugh, and it is Christmas Eve. We are dropping this episode on a day that

Dory is already off on her holiday travels, and I am blissfully not in an airport and with my family

at home in Los Angeles. But we didn't want to let the feed just wither this week.

So we have prepared a rerun of episode 351, which features the unstoppable author and voting rights activist Stacey Abrams,

which if you recall the original release of this episode, Dory was just

over the moon and so excited to be talking with Stacey Abrams because she writes these

thrillers that Dory is super into, and she's just such a charismatic and hilarious person.

She talks with us about pairing empathy with action,

what it looks like to commit to the craft of imagination, the way that her characters kind of just

go where they're going to go when she's writing fiction. And that was really cool and interesting.

And then how to overcome fear. So even though this episode aired in the spring,

we actually think a lot of its themes and a lot of the things that we talked about are evergreen

and will help carry us into the new year. So enjoy our May 2025 conversation with Stacey Abrams.

And then we'll talk with you again in the new year.

Okay, bye.

Stacey Abrams, welcome to Forever 35.

You've been on our wish list of guests for a very long time.

So it's really great to get to see you.

We were just talking about how

Elise is going to be in Scottsdale, Arizona for the weekend. And you were saying you went to

Scottsdale the first time you ever went on a plane. I did. So I was a 12 year old Girl Scout at 12

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