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Alright guys, I've got an episode for you today, a fiery episode. I just recorded an interview a debate with Brandon J. Robert San. He is a progressive. He calls himself a progressive Christian, a pastor of Metanoia Church. He calls himself a public theologian. Now you might know his name and you might know his face and in fully.

If you listen to this podcast or if you watch some of my videos on Instagram because I have reacted to a previous video that he did saying that Lazarus coming out of the tomb was Jesus calling gay people to come out of the closet.

And so that's who we're talking to today. He is pro choice. And so we are debating abortion. Now I would call that pro abortion. He refers to himself as pro choice.

And so we had a very into you guys know how passionate I am about this subject. And so it did get very intense at times. But I am very appreciative of Brandon being willing to come on because most people that we ask that conservative shows in general ask to debate, especially the subject say no. He was very respectful.

So guys, if you disagree with him, especially on YouTube, please leave respectful comments. There should be absolutely no ad hominem attacks. Be as respectful in your disagreement and your dialogue is possible.

That's what we're looking for. We can be very passionate. You will hear in this conversation. I get extremely riled up about the arguments that were being made. And that's fine. That's fine. But we should resist any kind of personal attacks because it's good that we have this kind of conversation.

I just want to address that a lot of you guys have been sending me messages over the past few days just with the ridiculous post that your friends are sharing that you didn't even realize that your friends were pro choice.

You didn't realize that they supported abortion and legal right to abortion. And they have been posting about women's rights and how scary this is and how terrible this is over the past few days.

And you have asked me several times to respond to the popular post that you are seeing circulated by Brunei Brown, by Glenn and Doyle, by several other even professing Christian influencers.

Or you have pointed out that a lot of your favorite female Christian influencers who are so quick to talk about social justice or police brutality, even alleged police brutality or what's happening at the border have nothing to say about abortion even though they call themselves pro life.

And unfortunately, I have not been able to respond to every single argument out there every single post that you guys have sent me in every single message over the past few days.

This reminds me a lot of June of 2020 when a lot of your friends were posting things about race and police and social justice that were simply not backed up either by biblical theology or by facts and data.

And you guys were just asking me for help for arguments for clarity and insanity because it kind of can feel like we're just going crazy when it feels like we are in the minority.

I just want to encourage you guys with a few things and I posted this on Instagram. I'll say it again here in every conversation that you have with someone.

What you can do if you don't know what to say if you've never heard that argument before just bring it back to the baby bring it back to what in abortion is every story that you hear every anecdote that you're offered every argument.

However, nuanced and complex it is bring it back to but why is that a justification for killing a human being now what you will often hear and you'll hear that I don't want to give too much away, but you'll hear a lot of this conversation and today's discussion.

What is a human when does life begin and look science says conception and so the question is when does someone get rights and if it's anytime after conception it becomes arbitrary right and arbitrary assignment of rights to certain groups of people based on the

whims and desires of people and power have been the mark of every human rights atrocity from slavery to genocide for all of history and so just go back to the baby go back to this innocent human life as being victimized go back to what the abortion procedure entails which we have discussed so much I will link some of my most popular abortion.

So I'm going to talk about the episodes in the description of this show. I've done we've done so many so many so you can just look up relatable abortion wherever you listen to your podcast or on YouTube they will all come up we have addressed pretty much every argument under the sun when it comes to abortion and the second thing that I want to say for all of you who are dealing with these conversations and dialogue and debates and just anger maybe from some of your friends or family members who are on the other side of this I just want to encourage you the truth.

I want to encourage you that you're doing a good job. I have gotten so many messages saying you know because you listen to a relatable podcast or because we've talked about this so much or maybe you've listened to other pro life advocates for a long time you have felt the courage in a lot of cases for the first time to speak up on behalf of unborn children to speak up on behalf of this vulnerable class of people and I just want to commend you for your courage.

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