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On the Media

Repairing Justice: How to Fix the Internet

On the Media

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4.68.7K Ratings

🗓️ 2 August 2019

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Part three of a series. Can theories of criminal justice reform help us rehabilitate so-called trolls and detoxify the web?

Transcript

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0:00.0

From WNYC in New York, this is On the Media. I'm Bob Garfield.

0:05.4

On this week's show, we test a radical approach to detoxing online life.

0:10.9

I'll get memes, direct message to me, of, like, my face photoshopped into Holocaust gas chambers.

0:16.9

Hey, this is your daily reminder that user L leads people to suicide.

0:22.8

The core drivers of violence are shame, isolation, exposure to violence, and an inability to meet one's economic needs.

0:30.4

Speaking face-to-face with the person who hurt you or who you hurt is difficult, but it can lead to meaningful resolution in a way that punishment alone

0:38.4

cannot. I think I've been going through some re-evaluation about the way that I communicate.

0:45.0

Violence begets violence. If you can just sever that chain, you save, in theory, infinite harm

0:51.7

down the line. Can mediation save the internet from our cruelest tendencies?

0:57.2

It's all coming up. After this, from WNYC in New York, this is on the media. I'm Bob Garfield.

1:06.3

And this is the third and final part in our series Repairing Justice.

1:13.1

We begin this hour with a nightmarish parable.

1:16.8

It happened back in 2015, and it started when a PR woman tweeted a joke.

1:23.5

Justine Sacco is a public relations executive, or she was at the time.

1:27.2

And in 2013, she tweeted

1:29.1

to her very small number of followers, going to Africa, hope I don't get AIDS. Just kidding, I'm white.

1:35.7

Lindsay Blackwell is a PhD student at the University of Michigan School of Information

1:40.5

studying online harassment. In my subjective experience, that is super racist. And I think

1:48.7

a lot of people on the internet also interpreted that as super racist. Another interpretation is

1:53.5

that it was a sympathetic, self-deprecating comment about white privilege. But either way,

1:59.8

tweet begins to spread. One of Justine's followers, screenshot of either way, tweet begins to spread.

2:01.6

One of Justine's followers, screenshot of that tweet, sent it to Sam Biddle, who at the time was a reporter at Gawker.

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