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The Conversation with Dasha Burns

Rep. Tom Cole’s cigar diplomacy to secure Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan aid

The Conversation with Dasha Burns

POLITICO

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🗓️ 19 April 2024

⏱️ 50 minutes

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After months of delay, this week House Speaker Mike Johnson advanced his much awaited version of the Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan foreign aid package. Standing between that legislation and the House floor: two very powerful committees.  First, the House Appropriations Committee, which controls about a third of federal spending. And second, the Rules Committee, which controls access to the House floor, and which has become a problem for GOP leaders in this Congress. Johnson needed to pick the lock on both of these committees. And there is one Member of Congress who has chaired them both. Not just in the past year — but in the past month: Oklahoma Republican Tom Cole. Deep Dive host and Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza caught up with Cole on Thursday afternoon after he’d just testified in support of the foreign aid bill in front of his old committee.  They got deep into the weeds of why the Rules Committee has been such a trouble spot for recent GOP speakers; and they discussed Johnson’s tenure so far and whether Cole thinks the Speaker can hang on as members threaten to oust him.  Cole also previewed how he will run the Appropriations Committee, including how he’ll handle the controversial earmarks process. And Cole answered some prying questions from some of his favorite historians on the subject of Donald Trump. Ryan Lizza is a Playbook co-author for POLITICO.Tom Cole is the chair of the House Appropriations committee. Kara Tabor is a producer for POLITICO audio. Alex Keeney is a senior producer for POLITICO audio. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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After months of delay, this week House Speaker Mike Johnson advanced his much-awaited

0:06.1

version of the Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan for an aid package.

0:11.2

Standing between that legislation and the House floor, two very powerful committees.

0:16.0

First, the House Appropriations Committee, which controls about a third of federal spending,

0:21.0

and second, the Rules Committee, which controls access to the House

0:25.4

Floor, and which has become a problem for GOP leaders in this Congress.

0:30.6

Johnson needed to pick the lock on both of these committees and there is one

0:34.5

member of Congress who has chaired them both not just in the past year but in the past

0:39.1

month Oklahoma Republican Tom Cole. Cole, who was elected in 2002, is known for being close to every GOP leader since the era of John Boehner.

0:51.0

In press shorthand, he's usually described as an institutionalist and

0:55.0

since the Tea Party era he's also been known for butting heads with his more

0:59.3

rambunctious colleagues on the far right. Cole is also a member of the Chickasaw Nation, a trained

1:05.3

historian, and literally a devotee of Washington's smoke-filled back rooms.

1:10.0

I'm a big believer in open human doors and open bars because they bring people together.

1:17.0

Over a cigar, people talk about their work, even their questions are interesting, their observations are interesting.

1:24.3

Earlier this month, Cole left the powerful chairmanship of the Rules Committee,

1:28.0

where he'd been the Ranking Republican since 2019, and ascended to the even more powerful chairmanship of the Appropriations Committee.

1:36.0

I caught up with him on Thursday afternoon during one of those days on the hill where everything

1:40.7

seems in flux.

1:42.3

Johnson and top Republicans were scrambling to move

1:45.2

the foreign aid package and Cole was at the center of that effort.

1:49.4

That's why I support obviously what we're doing on this foreign policy.

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