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Chairman Michael McCall joins us now.

Garnsman, welcome back.

Hey, thanks for having me, Brian.

Good to be back.

The MOU, I think you and I both agree was a prescription for disaster.

And it seems the Iranians didn't know how good they had it.

And they were abusing it, and they shot at merchant ships.

And now finally, I think it's history.

How would you characterize where we're at right now in this conflict?

Well, I think we're going back to plan A. I mean, we were, the military was very successful at achieving the objective. They were put on hold, you know, pending this negotiation, this

MOU. And look, I understand the president wanting to negotiate this. I think it's very important to recognize who

are you negotiating with, and it's the regime. And quite frankly, Brian, you and I don't have a lot

of trust in them, right? And talk about trust verify. I was never really sanguine they were

going to come to an agreement on this MOU.

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