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86-year-old Julia Gertie was matriarch of the Gertie family.

She didn't have any enemies, and she wouldn't have put up a fight during a burglary.

Nor was there any sign of a sexually motivated crime.

So why would someone brutally murder a helpless old woman for seemingly no reason?

That was the first and what would become a long list of questions asked by investigators in the case.

And for nearly four years, these questions would go unanswered.

Torturing the police and the Gertie family.

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