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Impolitic with John Heilemann

Remnick & Miliband: Moral Crises & Killing Fields in Israel & Gaza

Impolitic with John Heilemann

Audacy | Puck

News, Politics

4.8 • 4.2K Ratings

🗓️ 1 August 2025

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

John welcomes David Remnick, editor of The New Yorker, and David Miliband, head of the International Rescue Committee, to discuss Israel’s war with Hamas and the humanitarian horror show unfolding in Gaza. Having just authored his fourth major reported piece on the conflict since October 7, 2023, Remnick explains Israel’s sense of “national euphoria” after the Twelve-Day War launched by Benjamin Netanyahu against Iran to cripple its nuclear capabilities—and why Israelis have largely ignored the devastation the campaign against Hamas has inflicted on Gaza and the political, diplomatic, and moral crises it has unleashed for the Jewish state. Miliband attests to the scale and severity of the food emergency in Gaza due to what seems to be a calculated starvation strategy embraced by Netanyahu to bring “total victory” against Hamas. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Aloha and Namaste everyone and welcome to Impolitic with John Heilman, a puck and

0:10.9

Odyssey joint featuring lively in-depth conversations with the people who cruised the corridors of power

0:16.6

in America sculpting and shaping the ebb and flow of our politics and culture.

0:21.6

Four and a half months after Israel broke its ceasefire with Hamas and returned to all-out war in Gaza,

0:28.6

not only launching a brutal new military campaign, but a blockade on food and other forms of humanitarian aid

0:35.6

in an effort to achieve Benjamin Netanyahu's stated goal of

0:39.0

quote, total victory over Hamas, starting with the release of the remaining Israeli hostages

0:44.4

held by the group and ending with the eradication of its military and political capacities.

0:49.8

The widespread consensus around the world, including many quarters inside Israel, is that the effort has been a comprehensive and abject failure.

0:59.1

There has been no breakthrough in negotiations with Hamas, nor has there been a decisive defeat of Hamas on the battlefield.

1:06.4

As the Israeli writer Amir Teban put it this week in Haretz. The new phase of the war has

1:12.5

quote returned no living hostages, cost the lives of nearly 50 Israeli officers, led to the deaths

1:19.0

of thousands of Palestinian civilians, and precipitated a full-blown humanitarian disaster.

1:26.0

Indeed, as the scale and severity of that disaster became clear this week

1:29.4

with a UN-affiliated food security group declaring that the worst-case scenario of famine is currently

1:35.7

playing out in the Gaza Strip and the soul-destroying images of maciated children from the Gaza Strip

1:42.3

filling screens throughout the well-fed world. Israel was on the

1:47.0

receiving end of a rare level of rebuke from longstanding allies, first France, then Britain, then

1:53.4

Canada, all shifting towards support for Palestinian statehood in reaction to Israel's prosecution

1:59.3

of the war and faced with Netanyahu's macab

2:02.7

insistence that there is no starvation in Gaza, let alone an Israeli policy to foster it.

2:08.1

Even Donald Trump couldn't help but call bullshit on his palibi.

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