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Tants, you express.

Tans, you express.

Tans, you express.

Tans, you are express. Express. We are going this week from Lagos to Dusseldorf. In the last couple weeks we have lost both Tony Allen, who was a tremendous drummer and drummed with with

Phala in the 70s and Africa 70. It had a long career after he and Phala parted

ways and also Florian Schneider is one half of craft work.

And I was thinking a lot about the parallel legacies of these musicians, how during the same time period they basically took cues from the rock and funk and jazz that they were presented with and innovated entirely new original approaches to funk to rhythm, to drums, to texture,

and to energy.

And there are people who are smarter than I

about those things.

And so I wanted to have a conversation this week

about these two musicians,

where they drew their influences from, what they ended up influencing,

and these two styles that in a lot of ways are oppositional, but maybe have some consonances, and we're going to talk about the kind of unexpected points of overlap between the two of them.

So we're going to have two chats this week.

John Pirellis is going to call in first, you know,

J.P. Chief Pop Music Critic in the New York Times.

And then we're going to follow up with Joseph Patel, who is a former music

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