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This is Masters in Business with Barry Rittoltz on Bloomberg Radio.

This week on the podcast, I get to sit down with Jason Zweig and William Bernstein, remembering their friend, Jonathan Clements. Jonathan was a Wall Street Journal, personal finance columnist and author. For almost 20 years, he's beloved by

those people in the industry. In many ways, Jonathan has done as much as anybody to push the idea of indexing, at least anybody since

Jack Bogle. I thought this conversation, despite the fact that we know Jonathan received a terminal

diagnosis and we already know how it ended, I thought this conversation was interesting,

uplifting, and fascinating. I think you will also, with no further ado, my remembrance of Jonathan Clements with

Jason Zweig and William Bernstein.

Thanks, Barry.

Glad to be here.

So let's start out with the beginning.

I want to talk a little bit about who Jonathan was.

We'll talk about his two most recent books, including the one coming out in May of 2026.

But how did each of you meet Jonathan?

What were your early impressions of him like?

Let's start with you, Jason.

You want me to go first?

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