My two guests today really need no introduction. This week, I'm releasing three special episodes

featuring guests who knew and loved Charlie in tribute to him. Today, it's the Daily Wires,

Ben Shapiro and Michael Knowles. As per usual, no matter who I'm interviewing, it is my style to ask

the tough questions,

sometimes uncomfy ones based on what I think people would want to ask themselves if they

were the ones hosting a podcast. Ben and Michael share their first impressions meeting Charlie,

what his assassination means for our country going forward, how they're coping with the aftermath,

and we always end, of course, with asking

what their remedy is to heal us at culture. You can watch this episode on the real Alex Clark

YouTube channel or Culture Apothecary on Spotify, which now features video. And right now, as we try

to get back into the rhythm of releasing episodes after this tragedy, it would mean a lot for you

to leave a five-star review on Spotify or Apple

and just say why you love the show. Find the show on Instagram at Culture Apothecary or find

me at Real Alex Clark. You can get show merch or Charlie Kirk Legacy merch to help support the

organization. TPSAmerch.com. You'll get 10% off with code Alex Clark. Please welcome Ben Shapiro and Michael

Knowles to culture apothecary. Tell us about the first time that you had even heard of

Charlie Kirk or met him. Yeah, so the first time I met Charlie, I've told this story before,

is he was 18, I was 28, and I was working at the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

And we were doing some sort of Horowitz Center freedom event. And I see this gangly 18-year-old

kid with a very ill-fitting jacket kind of bop up. And he goes, Mr. Shapiro, I'm starting

this organization called Turning Point. We're looking for donors. I really want to talk to you

about what it is that we're doing. And so we sit together and he tells me about all this extremely energetic, obviously very bright, really, really gritty. I mean, one of the things we say at Daily Wire in terms of our hiring is you can't teach grit. Charlie, it was just grit and energy all day long. And I had this conversation. My co-founder of the Daily Wire, Jeremy, was there as well.

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