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Today we're listening back to an archive conversation with the poet and writer Benjamin Zephania who sadly passed away this week age

65. This is an episode of our podcast How I Found My Voice presented by journalist

Simir Ahmed first ad in 2019.

If I remember correctly, I said, I want to be a poet and he turned around and he said something like a poet have you ever seen a poet skin a rabbit?

No. It's hard for people to understand if I can get arrested on a Friday, kept in a police station,

Saturday, Sunday, Monday, beaten every day until about Wednesday.

Beaton most of the time with a mattress and bedding around these.

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