Welcome to Sons of Patriarchy, a podcast devoted to understanding how men and women get caught up in the systems of patriarchy, Christian nationalism, and the far right.

For years, these have been on the French, but now they're mainstream.

They've come from places like Moscow, Idaho, and are influencing churches, families,

schools, marriages, and institutions across the country, and now in Washington, D.C.

Every Monday, I interview experts in the fields we focus on, whether they be authors,

reporters, other podcasters, academics, professors,

former members of these groups, and more.

Our companion podcast, they called her bitter, amplifies the stories of survivors and the advocates

who come around them, detailing how the ideas we talk about here impact real lives because what was done in the dark

will be dragged in the light. All right, welcome to another episode of Sons of Patriarchy,

where our focus is on Doug Wilson and Christian nationalism in particular, although we've expanded our focus,

a broader view at the far rights and red pill ideologies and mannosphere and the crisis

of masculinity, all these things that intersect with Christian nationalism and Wilson.

But today's is going to be a fun conversation because it doesn't just look at

American nationalism. It looks at nationalism in more context than people I think generally think

about when it comes to nationalism. And then how it affects various sectors of American society

as well. So thank you, Dr. Joel Fetzer for coming on the series to talk about your

book that people have already heard about in the introduction, but we'll talk more about it in this

interview. Thank you. Thank you for having me on. I just want to stay at the outset that I speak

just for myself and not for my university. Awesome. So we got the, we got the necessary

little thing beforehand. So people, people,

don't confuse anything that you say. We've had this before, too, just to make very, very sure.

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