Jonathan Pago is an expert in symbols and symbolism and how ancient patterns can really reenchant our modern life.

Now we come from very different backgrounds.

He has a more religious aptitude where I have a more spiritual aptitude and there were some interesting places where those beliefs intersected in this podcast and discussions about psychedelics, etc.

But it was beautiful to see two different worlds coming together on this podcast and sharing our ideas and having a beautiful conversation about so many aspects of life.

And I'm really excited to share this podcast with Jonathan Pago.

Before we get started, a word from Apollo Neuro.

Now Apollo is a stress relief wearable that is designed to help you become a calmer, more mindful version of yourself through touch therapy.

And it does this by providing these warm pulsing sensations that actually go through the device and it's really interesting to feel the effects that this has on your nervous system.

It's something that Vailana and I will use both when we're in a medicine journey or a meditation or sometimes a breath work experience.

But honestly, it doesn't have to be during any of those experiences.

The effects of the Apollo wearable will be noticeable whether you're actually paying attention to it or not or whether you're in one of those transformational or transcendental states or not.

Some of the results of the clinical trials that they've done on Apollo Neuro have shown that users experience 40% less stress and feelings of anxiety, 19% more time and deep sleep up to 25% increases in focus and concentration.

And all of these different effects are based on different programs and different pulses that the Apollo Neuro actually pushes through in the vibrational mechanism of the device itself.

Like our brain waves, pulse a different frequencies that allows us to actually access different states of consciousness.

This is working in not exactly the same way, but it's working in a similar way, pushing out different frequencies of pulses that are sensed by the skin and received by the nervous system.

It's a really cool device developed by neuroscientists and doctors.

You may have heard Dr. Dave Rabin talk about it on my podcast already. So if you're interested, go to Apollo Neuro.com slash Aubrey.

That's Apollo NEURO.com slash Aubrey.

And you will get $40 off of the wearable.

And lastly, we have on it. And I'm going to talk again about alpha brain black label.

It took us 10 years to find a formula that was the black label version of alpha brain. What does black label mean? Well, that's just like the premium. That's the good shit. That's the top shelf shit.

Now I love alpha brain. I'm actually on alpha brain regular right now and I feel sharp as fuck and I love it.

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