Relentless curiosity, radical accountability, and HubSpot’s winning growth formula | Christopher Miller (VP of Product, Growth and AI)
Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career
Lenny Rachitsky
5.0 • 1.5K Ratings
🗓️ 10 August 2023
⏱️ 91 minutes
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Christopher Miller serves as the VP of Product for Growth and AI at HubSpot. Having spent the past seven years at HubSpot, Chris has been at the center of one of the biggest B2B growth stories in history—leading HubSpot’s early growth strategy, their shift to PLG, and now their investment in AI. Beyond his role at HubSpot, he lends his expertise to founders advising them on PLG and their growth strategy broadly. In today’s podcast, we discuss:
• The principles of winning teams, careers, and companies
• What customer obsession looks like in practice
• How sneaking into a party led to a career opportunity
• Advice for breaking into product management
• How to find mentors
• The top four skills for growth roles
• Lessons from building HubSpot’s famous PLG motion
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Where to find Chris Miller:
• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopherwilliammiller/
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/millsyjoeyoung/
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In this episode, we cover:
(00:00) Chris’s background
(04:15) Chris’s role at HubSpot leading Growth and AI teams
(09:17) The story of how Chris crashed a party and pitched his idea around pricing and packaging
(12:25) Relentless curiosity and other important traits to have as a PM
(16:52) How Chris broke into product management and advice for others wanting to do the same
(22:12) Helpful tips for learning the craft of product management
(26:30) Why you should talk to customers, former customers, and potential customers
(29:34) Mentors vs. sponsors, and advice for finding people who will help you grow
(34:02) What makes HubSpot unique
(36:07) Customer obsession in action
(40:23) How staying in the mid-market space has benefited HubSpot
(42:10) HubSpot’s culture code
(45:10) Fun rituals at HubSpot
(47:36) Key elements that contributed to HubSpot’s early growth
(55:00) Fallacies of product-led companies and how HubSpot embraced PLG
(1:00:48) Advice for companies wanting to become more product-led
(1:04:35) Common mistakes to avoid when trying to start a PLG motion
(1:07:53) How HubSpot structures growth loops
(1:10:50) The importance of aggressive experimentation within new channels
(1:16:11) How Covid accelerated growth at HubSpot
(1:17:59) Lightning round
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Referenced:
• Kyle Poyar on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kyle-poyar/
• Mariah Muscato on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mariahmuscato/
• Ken Norton on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/how-to-unlock-your-product-leadership-skills-ken-norton-ex-google/
• Fareed Mosavat on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/videos/how-to-build-trust-and-grow-as-a-product-leader-fareed-mosavat-reforge-slack-instacart-pixar/
• Jules Walter on Lenny’s Podcast: https://www.lennyspodcast.com/leveraging-mentors-to-uplevel-your-career-jules-walter-youtube-slack/
• The Culture Code at HubSpot: https://blog.hubspot.com/blog/tabid/6307/bid/34234/the-hubspot-culture-code-creating-a-company-we-love.aspx
• Brian Balfour on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bbalfour/
• Dharmesh on Twitter: https://twitter.com/dharmesh
• ChatSpot: https://chatspot.ai/
• Everybody Lies: Big Data, New Data, and What the Internet Can Tell Us About Who We Really Are: https://www.amazon.com/Everybody-Lies-Internet-About-Really/dp/0062390856
• Chop Wood Carry Water: How to Fall in Love with the Process of Becoming Great: https://www.amazon.com/Chop-Wood-Carry-Water-Becoming/dp/153698440X
• The Score Takes Care of Itself: My Philosophy of Leadership: https://www.amazon.com/Score-Takes-Care-Itself-Philosophy/dp/1591843472/
• I’m a Virgo on Amazon Prime: https://www.amazon.com/Im-A-Virgo-Season-1/dp/B0B8PXXV2M
• Barry on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/barry
• Succession on HBO: https://www.hbo.com/succession
• Building a great product management organization: https://stripe.com/it-es/guides/atlas/building-a-great-pm-org
• Garmin watch: https://www.amazon.com/Garmin-010-02174-01-Vivoactive-Smartwatch-Refurbished/dp/B0BPCNKBW1
• Fernet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernet
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| 0:00.0 | like the actual really small initial growth team. |
| 0:02.9 | We really had an aggressive mentality, an aggressive approach. |
| 0:07.5 | And what that looked like was at the time, |
| 0:10.1 | a very small percentage of, I think, HubSpot's subscription revenue would be described as like self-service. |
| 0:15.2 | So we approached the team who owned it and we were like are y'all working on this right? |
| 0:18.4 | And they were like no we're working on a bunch of other stuff. |
| 0:20.4 | We were like can we take this and they were like if you want it. And so we took it and like immediately blew it up. And so that attitude of sort of saying that like every problem is our problem and like radical accountability and like ownership mentality helped us find |
| 0:34.7 | opportunities that maybe the business wasn't explicitly asking us to solve but we were able to |
| 0:39.2 | triangulate why it might be important for the business for us to solve it. |
| 0:42.7 | And when you do that, like we look hungry, |
| 0:44.6 | so let's keep feeding us, right? |
| 0:48.7 | Welcome to Lenny's podcast, |
| 0:50.3 | where I interview world-class product leaders |
| 0:51.9 | and growth experts to learn from their hard-won experiences |
| 0:54.3 | building and growing today's most successful products. |
| 0:56.9 | Today my guest is Chris Miller. Chris is VP a product for growth and AI at HOPpot. Chris started as an ICPM at Hupspot |
| 1:05.4 | where he helped create their early growth team and as you'll hear shifted Hupspot |
| 1:08.9 | towards one of the most successful product-led growth businesses in history. |
| 1:13.0 | Seven years later, he leads both their growth and AI teams |
| 1:16.0 | and advises founders on product-led growth and growth strategy in general. |
| 1:20.0 | In our wide-ranging conversation, we cover what it takes to become a successful product leader in tech, |
| 1:26.0 | what skills the most successful p-mms need to build, how to find mentors, |
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