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Regenerative Agriculture Podcast

Relay Cropping Grain with Jason Mauck

Regenerative Agriculture Podcast

AEA Marketing

Earth Sciences, Science, Natural Sciences

4.7546 Ratings

🗓️ 24 February 2020

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

In this episode of The Regenerative Agriculture Podcast, John interviews Jason Mauck, an Indiana corn, soybean, wheat, and hog producer who thinks outside the borders of convention and who has pioneered a number of innovative practices.

Jason describes the guiding force behind his experiments and innovation as the desire to gain as much control over the variables in farming as possible. Rather than embracing traditional planting and application methods, Jason experiments with new approaches to farming, measuring whether they give him more resilience and control over his inputs and yields.

Jason is passionate about relay cropping, the practice of having a second crop growing before the first crop is harvested. An example of this is a cool grass cereal such as wheat or rye planted with a summer annual of corn or soybeans. He describes his experimentation with this approach, from the original plan of planting two crops together and doing all of the same things he would do for each crop planted separately, to his current understanding of the equilibrium needed to successfully bring both crops to maturity with a productive harvest. He has experimented with modifying the width of the rows to accommodate the needs of both growing crops. He also discusses the role manure management plays in his farming operation, and how his goal is to use this source of nitrogen to decrease his dependence on off-farm inputs.

In this interview, Jason talks about seldom discussed ideas, such as the phi angle of plant expression, which he describes as coordinating plantings so the solar angles reach the intercropped species. Also, he describes how a farmer can influence 6-ear corn or 200-seed wheat by following the principles of the Golden Mean. Jason talks about the conventional rationale of farmers, by which seed is planted with high hopes, given plenty of nitrogen and all the "by-the-book" fungicide and herbicide applications, and how his approach differs. Alternatively, he thinks of maximizing his yield with on-farm inputs and minimal costs, as well as considering the benefits of water absorption and soil biology the planting adds to the ecosystem.

Jason also talks at length about farm economics, and how to increase the contribution margin by decreasing the input costs while employing methods to increase yields. Listen to this episode to hear from one of the most innovative young farming voices in the United States, and follow his social media channels below to keep up with his stream of ideas and measured experiments.

Resources:

Jason Mauck's Twitter

Jason Mauck's YouTube

Constant Canopy website



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, friends. This is John, and this is the Regenerative Agriculture Podcast. Today, I'm very happy to have with me Jason Malk from Indiana.

0:09.1

Jason is a corn, soybean, wheat, and a hog farmer from Indiana who seems to be pretty much incapable of restricting his thinking to the borders that people collectively would like to impose.

0:21.4

Jason is really passionate about relay cropping and having a second crop growing while the first

0:26.2

crop does not get harvested. He talks quite a bit about some seldom heard ideas, such as the value

0:31.6

of capturing solar energy by harnessing the phi angle of plant expression. Jason shares a lot of his thoughts and ideas on Twitter and on his YouTube channel.

0:40.3

I would very much encourage you to check those out.

0:42.3

Some very valuable thoughts and ideas there for you to contemplate and think about.

0:46.3

Jason, I'm very excited to have you here.

0:48.3

The journey and the pathway to getting to where we are is always interesting,

0:53.3

and I think it's valuable to understand the context.

0:56.0

What are you doing today that is different from the mainstream and what brought you to that point?

1:00.0

Well, I guess it's some people call it chaos and I think of it more as kind of managing the finite

1:08.0

or kind of managing the weather and mother nature somewhat.

1:12.0

So I've started growing these multiple crops and cover crops through basically getting punched in the face.

1:18.6

I came back to farming from losing my father and first crop I put out was 2011 and I don't know how many crop years that is, but all but two have been extremely wet.

1:31.0

So a lot of replanting and things like that, and through kind of trial and air, I've maybe felt like I feel a little bit more in control.

1:39.8

I guess that's my main motive is trying to keep more of a ball-in-hand approach.

1:44.3

Jason, what are you, tell us a little bit about what you're doing.

1:46.9

You're excited about relay cropping.

1:48.7

What is relay cropping and how is it working for you?

1:51.7

So relay cropping, the definition in the dictionary, if you will, is basically growing two

1:56.9

crops at once, but in relay cropping, the timing is different. So the simplest and

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