Is it possible to maintain a consumption-driven economy that doesn't trash our home or lead to massive inequality?

Climate One conversations feature energy suppliers and environmentalists, Republicans and Democrats, the exciting and the scary aspects of the climate challenge.

I'm Greg Dalton. Norway seems like a country that has it all. The world's largest

sovereign wealth fund supported exclusively by petroleum revenues that has allowed the country to

electrify its economy and lead the way in clean energy technologies. It's a sort of country of

paradoxes. On the one hand, it's Western Europe's biggest oil producer.

On the other hand, it's probably the biggest market in the world for electric cars.

Richard Mill is Nordic and Baltic correspondent for the Financial Times.

He'll join us later on today's show, along with Norwegian Minister of Climate and Environment,

Svaynong Rotovan,

to talk about fighting climate change while pursuing fossil fuel capitalism.

It's like being a drug dealer that doesn't use his own product.

It's basically the hard truth of it.

That's Hope Jaron, a professor in the Department of Geoscience at the University of Oslo,

an author of The Story of More,

how we got to climate change and where to go from here. She joins us in the first part of the show

to explore how fighting climate change often involves grappling with issues of wealth, power,

and patriarchy. There's a classic prisoners dilemma here that the individual firm has every incentive

to run as hard as possible. The problem is collective, so we have to get business as a whole to act.

Rebecca Henderson is a professor at the Harvard Business School, an author of Reimagining

Capitalism in a World on Fire. I began our conversation by asking Rebecca whether

capitalism as a system for making more stuff in order to sell more stuff is fundamentally flawed.

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