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no bull and the aftermath.

The fact of the matter is in the history of both terrorism broadly and in the history

of jihadist terrorism more specifically, 9-11 is an outlier, 9-11 is the thing that

kind of gets accomplished once and then is extremely hard to regenerate.

Look at, you mentioned Omar Farugab-Domotalib and the December 2009 bombing attempt.

Let's say that succeeded.

300 people would be dead.

That is still as disgusting an atrocity as that was, something that tells us something

about the extant state of al-Qaeda's both operations and capability in 2009.

And if you want to attribute some of that to the war on terror itself, go ahead, I'll

bake that in, but there's no Islamic state in 2009.

There's no al-Qaeda in Iraq before the invasion of Iraq.

There is no ability for such a thing to generate absent what America does.

I'm Ian N. Wright and this is the LawFair podcast, August 31, 2021.

Jack Goldsmith sat down with National Security Reporter Spencer Accomit.

As the author of the new book, Rain of Terror, how the 9-11 era destabilized America and

produced Trump.

The two discussed the book and the consequences of 20 years of the war on terror.

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