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Today I'm in conversation with Marieti Shaka, a Dutch politician and member of the European Parliament.

She's widely regarded as Europe's most wide politician.

Our discussion explores the governance of the digital space,

how we can maintain an open internet,

the responsibilities of the dominant technology firms, and how to think about the new era of geopolitical competition that is emerging in cyberspace.

As we recorded this a day after a historic vote in the British Parliament on Brexit, we open

with our reflections on that process.

Yeah, I think it's devastating for everybody really. I mean it is such a chaos and

such a sign of, you know, completely irresponsible political

bravemanship that has just been gone on too long and, you know, all these MEPs

from or MPs, rather both of them from labor and from the Tories who are saying

that they would have done such a better job and you know they know everything better but we

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